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Subject RE: Study on ORCID deployment in Finland
From Andrew Cormack <Andrew.Cormack@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date Tue, 23 Jun 2015 09:04:02 +0000

Mikael
Quick Q. Having just seen Raine demo the system at an ORCID event, I'm puzzled why you need to use ePPN as the linking attribute? Isn't it just a single transaction to the linking service, so ePTID would be sufficient? In the UK, IdPs are more likely to release ePTID than ePPN by default, so if the service could use ePTID it'd be more likely to just work. 

Cheers
Andrew

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mikael Linden [mailto:mikael.linden@xxxxxx]
> Sent: 13 June 2015 10:48
> To: Andrew Cormack; REFEDS
> Subject: RE: [refeds] Study on ORCID deployment in Finland
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> >I was trying to work out whether there was any technical
> >or legal reason why the linking service couldn't be
> >provided by ORCID themselves?
> 
> I have been thinking of that approach as well. There are ORCID people on
> this list, perhaps they can comment.
> 
> >Your report doesn't comment on the legal position of the
> >linking service, so I don't know whether the geographic
> >location,
> 
> The linking service will be in Finland, so no release of personal data out
> of EU/EEA.
> 
> >I did spot that you seemed to be willing to set up a number
> >of different interfaces to your Finnish HEIs.
> 
> Yes. The reason is that larger universities are willing to implement a
> more complicated push interface in their IdM system to be able to receive
> the (ePPN,ORCID ID) tuples immediately.  The smaller institutions are
> happy with a simple pull mechanism.
> 
> Cheers,
> mikael
> 
> >Andrew
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mikael Linden [mailto:mikael.linden@xxxxxx]
> > Sent: 11 June 2015 07:57
> > To: Nick Roy; REFEDS
> > Subject: RE: [refeds] Study on ORCID deployment in Finland
> >
> > >In the report, "linking their own ORCID identifier to a research
> >
> > >organization" is mentioned - does that mean a person registering
> >
> > >their ORCID with a campus IDMS via self-service?
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes. Classical account linking, described in chapter 4.3 of the report.
> >
> > In short
> >
> > 1. There is a SAML SP (called "ORCID connect") in the R&E AAI
> federation.
> >
> > 2. The researcher logs in to that SP using his/her home organization
> > IdP. The SP receives the user's ePPN
> >
> > 3. From the SP, the user authenticates against the public ORCID API.
> > The SP learns user's authenticated ORCID ID.
> >
> > 4. The SP returns a tuple (ePPN,ORCID-ID) to the Home Organisation
> > (using e.g. REST)
> >
> >
> >
> > If you want, you can replace (4) by a SAML AA (I know Niels is planning
> that).
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > mikael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Nick Roy [mailto:nroy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 10. kesäkuuta 2015 20:06
> > To: Mikael Linden; 'REFEDS'
> > Subject: Re: [refeds] Study on ORCID deployment in Finland
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Mikael,
> >
> >
> >
> > In the report, "linking their own ORCID identifier to a research
> organization"
> > is mentioned - does that mean a person registering their ORCID with a
> > campus IDMS via self-service?  If so, are there any identified best
> > practices about how to go about doing that?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> >
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Mikael Linden <mikael.linden@xxxxxx
> > <mailto:mikael.linden@xxxxxx> >
> > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 9:36 AM
> > To: 'REFEDS' <refeds@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:refeds@xxxxxxxxxx> >
> > Subject: [refeds] Study on ORCID deployment in Finland
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear REFEDS,
> >
> >
> >
> > For people interested in ORCID.
> >
> >
> >
> > CSC has published a report on a nation-wide deployment of ORCID
> > identifiers for researchers in Finland:
> >
> > https://confluence.csc.fi/display/tutki/ORCID+report+in+English
> >
> >
> >
> > From an AAI perspective, it may be interesting to read at least
> > chapter 4 on how to link researchers' ORCID IDs to their (federated)
> > user identities, and pass that information back to the Home
> Organisation.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > mikael
> >
> > --
> >
> > Dr. Mikael Linden
> > Senior application specialist, CISSP
> > CSC - IT Center for Science Ltd.
> > P.O. BOX 405, FI-02101 Espoo, Finland
> > +358 40 507 4100, mikael.linden@xxxxxx <mailto:mikael.linden@xxxxxx>