Subject Re: (fwd) New version of eduPerson now entering last call
From Hildegunn Vada <hildegunn.vada@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date Fri, 21 Jun 2013 09:08:05 +0200

Hi all,

and thank you for the feedback on my question. I understand it's not an easy one, and that there are many considerations and different views/traditions/legislations when it comes to such an identifier. In Norway, we still find a scoped, multivalued attribute for this kind of information very useful, and will probably recommend the use of Schac attribute schacPersonalUniqueID. Any further discussions around ePUID (or another attribute) would be very interesting.

Kind regards,
Hildegunn Vada

13. juni 2013 kl. 16:48 skrev Andrew Cormack <Andrew.Cormack@xxxxxx>:

UK law (and enforcement) distinguishes directly identifying and indirectly identifying information. So here ePUID will only be regarded as personal data when held by someone who can link it to the flesh and blood individual. The originating IdP usually can do that, of course, as can any SP that asks for directly identifying information as well. Hence our law actually gives an incentive to SPs to use pseudonyms.

The Directive isn't clear whether that's the intention or not. Other EC countries don't make the distinction, which makes it harder to sell identifiers such as ePITD/ePUID, unfortunately.


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From: Mikael Linden [Mikael.Linden@xxxxxx]
Sent: 13 June 2013 14:20
To: Jones, Mark B; Leif Johansson; Cantor, Scott
Cc: Hildegunn Vada; refeds@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [refeds] (fwd) New version of eduPerson now entering last call

Does email address qualify as personal data in Europe?  IMO ePUID should be
treated similarly with regard to sharing.

The definition is:
'personal data' shall mean any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person ('data subject'); an identifiable person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identification number or to one or more factors specific to his physical, physiological, mental, economic, cultural or social identity;

Email address, ePPN, ePUID or even ePTID is there to identify an end user. It suggests that they all qualify as personal data.


-----Original Message-----
From: Mikael Linden []
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:29 AM
To: Leif Johansson; Cantor, Scott
Cc: Hildegunn Vada; refeds@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [refeds] (fwd) New version of eduPerson now entering last call

I don't know (or have any opinion about) weather this means that
eduPersonUniqueID shouldn't be used for national id numbers.

The current draft says eduPersonUniqueId "is meant to be freely sharable, is
public, opaque, and..."
In many (European) countries a National Identification Number counts as
sensitive personal data. In those countries it doesn't seem a good idea to
use NIN as ePUID.

Although defined as "freely sharable, public and opaque", there is still the
possibility that ePUID qualifies as personal data in Europe and the data
protection laws will apply to it, as Andrew mentioned. It means that the
organization (IdP) "sharing it freely" may take some legal risks. The risks
are probably smaller for an identifier that is opaque, though.


Hildegunn Vada
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