Offices, Amsterdam, The Netherlands.
DRAFT
AGENDA1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
2. FEEDBACK FROM THE TERENA EXECUTIVE MEETING
3. REVIEW OF TECHNICAL PROGRAMME3.1 Pilot Project on Cache statistics4. AGREEMENT OF TTC MEMBER PORTFOLIOS
3.2 Pilot Project on FTP Mirror Tracking
3.3 Pilot Project on Computer Crime Legal Actions
3.4 Pilot Project on E-mail decision making
3.5 Pilot Project on Satellite delivery of Learning Material
3.6 Continuation of CHIP
3.7 Dissolution of TF-ETM
3.8 The status of TF-CACHE
3.9 The status of TF-TANT
5. SUGGESTIONS ON ADDITIONAL TTC MEMBERSHIP
6. RE-VITALISING THE TECHNICAL PROGRAMME6.1 SIRCE Specification Project proposal from Brian Gilmore7. DATE OF NEXT MEETING
6.2 Proposal from the University of Utrecht
6.3 Proposal about LDAPv3 deployment by Peter Valkenburg
6.4 REIS Project
6.5 Proposed Streaming Task Force
6.6 Collaboration with IBM
6.7 the TEQUILA IST project
6.8 MCI-Worldcom
6.9 The future of the seed funding project initiative
8. ANY OTHER BUSINESS
9. OPEN ACTIONS
| Name | Organisation | Country |
| Kees Neggers (Chair) | SURFnet | The Netherlands |
| David Chadwick | Univ. Salford | United Kingdom |
| Brian Gilmore | Univ. Edinburgh | United Kingdom |
| Olav Kvittem | UNINETT | Norway |
| Stanislaw Starzak | POL-34 | Poland |
| Peter Valkenburg | SURFnet | The Netherlands |
| Valentino Cavalli (Sec) | TERENA | - |
| Karel Vietsch | TERENA | - |
| John Dyer | TERENA | - |
| Kevin Meynell | TERENA | - |
| Yuri Demchenko | TERENA | - |
Last meeting was in February 1999. No minutes were produced as it was
the dissolution of the "old committee" and there were no outstanding actions
to be recorded.
2. FEEDBACK FROM THE TERENA EXECUTIVE MEETING
Kees Neggers briefed the TTC about the last TEC meeting. An important
decision was that the TEC had appointed Stanislaw as member of the TTC.
The TEC had reviewed a proposed year 2000 budget which will contain resources
for technical activities; the budget proposal however still has to be approved
by the GA.
3. REVIEW OF TECHNICAL PROGRAMME
John Dyer introduced the activities currently running. These were reviewed and discussed by the TTC.
3.1 Pilot Project on Cache statistics
The project is on schedule, and will be complete before the end of 1999
3.2 Pilot Project on FTP Mirror Tracking
The project is on schedule, and will be complete before the end of 1999
3.3 Pilot Project on Computer Crime Legal Actions
UKERNA has undertaken some preliminary investigations but has met with an unexpectedly poor response from the authorities. UKERNA are now pursuing an alternative source of information and will report back to TERENA in the next few weeks. If progress still appears to be impossible the future of the contract will be re-examined.
ACTION 991005-01 John Dyer to contact UKERNA
3.4 Pilot Project on E-mail decision making
The project deliverables and schedule need to be re-negotiated.
Jacob Palme has now found two master students to undertake the project.
ACTION 991005-02 John Dyer to negotiate with Jacob Palme deliverables and schedule
3.5 Pilot Project on Satellite delivery of Learning Material
The University of Plymouth was asked to re-submit the project proposal in the new role as prime contractor. No document has been forthcoming despite regular reminders being sent to the prospective project manager. The TTC agreed to withdraw approval for the project in its original form. If however the University of Plymouth show sufficient interest to resubmit a fresh proposal it will be considered.
The University of Bristol made a proposal to the TAC in Lund about the migration of CHIP from a small pilot to a full service. The TAC discussion demonstrated varying levels of interest and the final decision was therefore delegated to the TTC. After extensive discussion the TTC decided that their was insufficient demand to justify funding this service from the TERENA budget.
ACTION 991005-03 John Dyer to communicate the decision not to continue with CHIP to Bristol.
Although Task Force on European Traffic Management (TF-ETM) had met on occasions in the past, no work had been undertaken in recent months. In addition, most of the practical statistics and metrics work was now being undertaken in TF-TANT. As a consequence the TTC decided to formally close TF-ETM
Valentino Cavalli reported about the task force activity. This is currently mostly related to the running pilot projects. No task force meetings are planned, TERENA will organise a DESIRE II Caching Workshop in February or March 99 and the 5th International Web Caching Workshop in May 99. It was remarked that the task force is currently missing strong leadership, due to Ingrid Melve's absence.
ACTION 991005-04 John Dyer to contact Ingrid Melve to identify potential deputy task force leader.
Kevin Meynell reported about the task force activity. The participation in task force meetings has become quite large, about 40 attendees were at the last meeting in Frankfurt. In some respects, this makes the activity less effective. Christoph Graf resigned as TF leader. Roberto Sabatino from DANTE was selected to be his successor. The MPLS experiment has been carried out successfully; the differentiated services.experiment is going well with contributions from IBM, CISCO and CABLETRON, and is scheduled to be running until November.
The TTC discussed a number of issues related to the relationship between TF-TANT and the QUANTUM project and with the QPC.
TERENA staff reported that TF-TANT does not have access to QUANTUM documents like proposal and deliverables. The TTC remarked that it seemed reasonable that technical people working on the project in TF-TANT should be provided with access to official information related to QUANTUM.
The TTC had a discussion about the future of TF-TANT after the end of the QUANTUM project on 31 May 2000. A critical issue was the need to better structure the relationship between the "official" aspects of the project and the need to carry out high quality technical work. It is hoped that a better structure can be developed post QUANTUM. It was agreed that TERENA should aim to take a major role in future similar work.
4. AGREEMENT OF TTC MEMBER PORTFOLIOS
The following Special Interest Areas have been assigned to the TTC members:
Olav Kvittem - Diffserv, Quality of ServiceThe Higher Speed Lower Layers area will be leaded by the Secretariat technical staff until a new TTC member is appointed.
Stanislaw Starzak - Caching and Indexing
Peter Valkenburg - Streaming media, video conferencing
David Chadwick - Authentication and security
5. SUGGESTIONS ON ADDITIONAL TTC MEMBERSHIP
Within the terms of reference of the TERENA Technical Programme, up to two more TTC member can be appointed, their expertise should match as near as possible the remaining Special Interest Areas. The TTC should try to identify people with expertise in the areas of Higher Speed Lower Layers, and video conferencing.
There was some discussion about how the TTC could best utilise the experience and skills of Brian Gilmore, the previous VP Technical Programme. Brian is currently managing the post-SIRCE activity. It was agreed that in the spirit of attracting "fresh-blood" to the TTC, he should not be invited to become a full TTC member, with the open places being used to recruit fresh members.
However it was agreed that in view of the sensitivity of the post-SIRCE activity and Brian's depth of understanding of the issues, he would be a valuable asset to the committee.
Brian Gilmore was therefore invited to continue to attend the TTC on
that basis.
6. RE-VITALISING THE TECHNICAL PROGRAMME
John Dyer introduced the topic by mentioning the current situation to date with pilot project proposals: 35 proposals were received since the seed funding initiative was started two years ago, 14 were approved, and only 7 were completed. The original intent was to support projects that would lead to useful major initiatives for the TERENA community, but, even though some activities produced good results there was none had gone on to become major projects in their own right.
John reported on three recently submitted proposals on which decisions for funding had to be taken..
1) To undertake some specification work on behalf of the post-SIRCE group. Specifically to scope what needs to be done to invite tenders to provide an accreditation process for new CERTs.
2) A Measurement Tool development project from the University of Utrecht.
3) An X.500 to LDAP interworking and migration scheme.
6.1 SIRCE Specification Project proposal from Brian Gilmore
Karel Vietsch reported about the SIRCE meeting held in Amsterdam on 24 September 1999. 27 people attended the meeting from European CERTs. Karel summarized that there was universal support at the meeting for the continuation of some activity to support co-ordination between CERTs in Europe. The meeting agreed on a number of actions including:
It was further agreed that a classification scheme of incidents would be required to enable the collection of statistics, which in turn would be instrumental for producing trend reports. This classification will initially be based on the collaborative work of JANET-CERT and CERT-NL, but will be extended for more general use.
The proposal being submitted by Brian on behalf of the SIRCE follow on initiative is to provide a written specification of the process by which new CERTs should be accredited. The project will require funding to a level not exceeding 5000 Euro. This will be used by the secretariat to buy up to a maximum of 10 person/days effort, to produce the specification for discussion at the next SIRCE follow on meeting in January 2000.
ACTION 991005-5 Brian Gilmore to progress work on the project to develop a specification.
6.2 Proposal from the University of Utrecht
Kevin Meynell described the technical aspects of the proposal put forward by Cees de University of Utrecht . The tool integrates several existing pieces of software into a single user friendly interface that can be used to make deductions on what is happening on networks between given points from the end-users perspective.
The goal of the project is to the develop the tool further and to adapt it to the needs of NRNs. The TTC had questions about the amount of money requested in relation to the proposed deliverables and milestones. It was agreed that the tool should be deployed in 5 or 6 NRNs in its present form as quickly as possible and the project be limited initially to six months in duration. The level of funding would also be reduced to a level commensurate with this level of activity.
ACTION 991005-6 John Dyer to contact Cees de Laat at Utrecht and make the offer of reduced funding. If acceptable to them, proceed with a contract.
6.3 Proposal about LDAPv3 deployment by Peter Valkenburg
The Quipu implementation of X.500 is not Y2K compliant, therefore several countries are already migrating from X.500 directory services.to LDAPv3. The proposal being made was to set up LDAP coordination in Europe in order to support services.that provide LDAPv3 referrals to country level LDAP servers. In addition the project will document solutions for retaining connectivity with existing X.500 services.after migrating to LDAP.
In consultation with DANTE, it was agreed that it would be beneficial if TERENA prepared for the migration to LDAP as a separate project. The result is to be made (part of) a service when the project ends. This way TERENA will help DANTE set up a service following its current NameFlow service, now that DANTE currently lacks the manpower to do this project work itself.
Peter presented a proposal including both technical, organisation and financial requirements. The result should be a short-term focused project, lasting 6 months.
The TTC agreed that the proposal should be developed further by the interested parties (SURFnet and DFN) and provided it fell within the agreed budget it could be ratified for acceptance and contract by the TTC using email.
Peter Valkenburg agreed to progress the submission of a full written proposal with SURFnet staff.
ACTION : 991005-7 Peter Valkenburg to progress a full project proposal from SURFnet.
Peter Valkenburg briefed the TTC about the current status of the REIS project proposal. The acronym stands for REsearch Index System for Europe. The project will aim at building a pilot index service covering at least the European academia. It will not aim at doing innovative research, but rather at integrating existing technologies, tools and services. The project is envisaged to require a limited budget and time (maximum 1 year) in order to show the potential to become a operational service. The group is ready to start discussion on specifications. The technological focus will be on automatic classification of online material and on multi-linguality issues.
6.5 Proposed Streaming Task Force
Valentino Cavalli reported about the status of the streaming activities. A mailing list has been set up since July 99. A proposal was sent for a new task force but there was no reaction. However the mailing list is not dormant; diverse initiatives have been presented, and people also use the list for exchanging technical information.
IBM new centre in Zoetermeer will be officially operational from November 12. IBM is encouraging TERENA to coordinate a European project in collaboration with them to exploit the capability of the new centre, however it is still unclear what form such a project should have. John Dyer met Bert Dekkers recently and discussed with him two TERENA proposals (REIS and Streaming). IBM appear not very interested in them as stand-alone projects, however has said they would be interested in the concept of a "big idea" that included them as components. The "big idea" might be something along the lines of a European Academic and Research Portal that provided added value over what is currently available elsewhere. It would be important as part of the proposal to demonstrate a business case for such an activity in terms of the benefits for all those concerned. It is anticipated that the partners should include our community, (TERENA being the strategic leader), IBM and other commercials such as service providers and/or media companies.
The TTC agreed that this was an excellent idea and encouraged its development.
ACTION 991005-08 John Dyer to work out the portal concept and distribute the draft to the TTC for further input.
John Dyer briefed the TTC on the TEQUILA proposal, which is currently in the Commission negotiation phase. The proposal involves around 10 organisations, including UCL and Alcatel. It will include : simulation of QoS architecture, implementation and testing. TERENA's responsibility will be that of information dissemination for an estimated 10 person/month effort and budget 75000 EUR during a 30 month period. The TTC discussed the proposed TERENA involvement and agreed that the secretariat should go ahead.
It was stressed by the TTC chairman that it was vitally important to use the project as a means of channeling community feedback on the topic to the project partners and the commission.
John Dyer reported that he had been in discussion with MCI-Worldcom to explore possible future collaborations. MCI-Worldcom have said they are interested in evaluating WDM possibilities with the TERENA community. As a first step they have suggested that TERENA and MCI-Worldcom jointly run a workshop during November 1999.
ACTION 991005-09 John Dyer to work with MCI-Worldcom and elaborate a proposed agenda for the workshop.
6.9 The future of the seed funding project initiative
It was agreed that the unspent portion of the pilot project initiative budget should be retained within the technical programme to fund future suitable proposals. The money remaining is approximately 45000 Euro. All TTC members are encouraged to actively seek ideas from members of the community. The TERENA Technical Staff are encouraged to active discuss and seek further ideas from contacts in the community.
The next meeting will start on Monday 10 January 2000 at 6:30 PM and will continue on Tuesday 11 January 2000 from 9:00 AM to 2:00 PM
The Secretariat was requested to produce an "executive summary" from the minutes of the meetings to be sent to the GA and TAC lists. The summary should include the URL of the full minutes which from henceforth will be made public and placed on the TERENA web server.
The TTC urged for an efficient management and update of mailing list.
The activity was already planned.
ACTION 991005-01 John Dyer to contact UKERNA about the project on Legal Actions
ACTION 991005-02 John Dyer to negotiate with Jacob Palme deliverables and schedule
ACTION 991005-03 John Dyer to communicate the decision not to continue with CHIP to Bristol.
ACTION 991005-04 John Dyer to contact Ingrid Melve to identify potential deputy task force leaders
ACTION 991005-5 Brian Gilmore to progress work on the project to develop a specification.
ACTION : 991005-6 John Dyer to contact Cees de Laat at Utrecht and make the offer of reduced funding. If acceptable to them, proceed with a contract.
ACTION : 991005-7 Peter Valkenburg to progress a full project proposal from SURFnet.
ACTION 991005-08 John Dyer to work out the "portal" concept and distribute the draft to the TTC for further input.
ACTION 991005-09 John Dyer to work with MCI-Worldcom and elaborate a
proposed agenda for the workshop.